America restoring Democratic values 2008 ?!

by **trinityroy** on Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:50 pm

America restoring Democratic values 2008 ?!

First of all who am I !? Nothing less than a fellow human being.
I come from old Amsterdam Europe and I am puzzled.
Puzzled when I watch American tv. I see all black, or all jewish soaps and comedy’s.
People fighting over the N. word or such silly slogans that are not educational at all.
America has been exporting for the last ten years,’ from my point of view that is’, mostly macho and gangster images around the world. Every fuckup made by the States in wars and such we’re turned into money making movie blockbusters with American heroes. I am very disappointed by the American influence on my country and city. In general you could say I am disappointed in people. The moment we point a camera at somebody they become so righteous and forthcoming.
However we will only help those people that are willing to sell their souls on National or Global tv. Racism has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with human stupidity and a lack of education in general. Nowadays we would sell each other out to get on tv or make money.
This is the new religion , ’easy money’, and we are all guilty of fornicating with it.
Your dr. Phil and Oprah they are also guilty.
You as a society are guilty. And only now when you are now longer omni-potent as a Nation you are finally willing to take a hard look at yourselves. A bit late don’t you think? Will the Chinese make similar mistakes as you all did? They probably will. My countries leaders and people are making these mistakes. I am so disappointed I want to go and live in recluse. I have been fighting for many years here in Amsterdam and everywhere, to get some sense to appear. But here also my actions were in vain. I started a foundation over fifteen years ago called; Meltingpot music and artists.
I organized many of these events and wanted to get them televised as a role-model to the world. I contacted the mayors-office and the state. Big television makers and such I tried it all.
No one responded. The only thing that sells is big brother and famous fucks dancing.
I tried very hard indeed to have the Amsterdam gay pride to become a People Pride Parade. But even the gays lined up against me. Ask yourselves why suicide in the western world is on the rise?! My answer is this; give your young something to fight and work for. And I do not mean your fucking cars, tits, and second, third or fourth houses. Your role-models suck!
I am so displeased with what the modern world now depicts. I have now started drinking and are becoming more and more fatalistic. I wish upon you all the fruits of your labor and that you may all reap what you have sowed. However I also hope that America learns quickly from its mistakes before it is too late and becomes a role-model to the world again. I suggest you create a global consumer rights organization that helps the worlds population in primary needs and makes sure, luxurious goods are more heavily taxed. A Global organization, that keeps a close eye on monsanto corporations and such. To go crazy and become frustrated civilizations as is happening now is easy but leads to punishment for us all. I am witnessing at this moment what bad choices lead to. Holland is an American micro cosmos in Europe. And here we are seeing sooner than in the States the effects of bad political and civil choices. At present Holland has dropped in less than two decades from the most social, innovative and progressive countries in Europe to one of the lesser in all aforementioned fields as well as in economy.
To say we care about the future of our children or even our neighbors has become very quickly an open lie. You want to conquer the stars and dominate planets, but so far we as a species have not even shown we are capable to do right, right here on planet earth. As far as I myself am concerned I would like to grow old farming or fishing because your urban promises have turned very sour indeed. Your movies are twisted and infantile, as is your music. And that is even with advancing production techniques. I could have been a great asset to the collective. The choice for the future is between societies based upon Class and Education or prolonged extremes between rich and poor and self inflicted and home grown terror and pain. YOU CHOOSE and better sooner than later. It is not up to your leaders it is up to you all! Citizens of the World! Think National act Global!
Do it again and restore Democratic values.
I remain in hope forever as I am forever Trinityroy Trafford fellow human and a timeless entity.

by **Coyote** on Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:30 pm

trinityroy wrote:America restoring Democratic values 2008 ?!

First of all who am I !? Nothing less than a fellow human being.
I come from old Amsterdam Europe and I am puzzled.
Puzzled when I watch American tv. I see all black, or all jewish soaps and comedy’s.
People fighting over the N. word or such silly slogans that are not educational at all.
America has been exporting for the last ten years,’ from my point of view that is’, mostly macho and gangster images around the world. Every fuckup made by the States in wars and such we’re turned into money making movie blockbusters with American heroes. I am very disappointed by the American influence on my country and city. In general you could say I am disappointed in people. The moment we point a camera at somebody they become so righteous and forthcoming.
However we will only help those people that are willing to sell their souls on National or Global tv. Racism has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with human stupidity and a lack of education in general. Nowadays we would sell each other out to get on tv or make money.
This is the new religion , ’easy money’, and we are all guilty of fornicating with it.
Your dr. Phil and Oprah they are also guilty.
You as a society are guilty. And only now when you are now longer omni-potent as a Nation you are finally willing to take a hard look at yourselves.

I was right there with you up until this point. I agree with most or all of what you're saying, even if you're a bit self-righteous yourself. But then again, this is a political forum instead of TV, but the effect is the same. Who doesn't act self-righteous when the camera is on them?

trinityroy wrote:A bit late don’t you think?

Yes and no. Better late than never. Would you prefer we give up trying? We can't change the past, so getting hostile with us probably won't improve the situation. Notice all of a sudden I'm saying "we, us". That's because attacks from abroad will always make Americans pull together, whether they are physical or ideological attacks, and whether or not they are deserved. It's good that you can see through all the false glamor and BS of American culture, but if all you can do is tell us how wrong we are without providing any concrete solutions, you're just adding to the problem, IMO.

trinityroy wrote:Will the Chinese make similar mistakes as you all did? They probably will. My countries leaders and people are making these mistakes. I am so disappointed I want to go and live in recluse. I have been fighting for many years here in Amsterdam and everywhere, to get some sense to appear. But here also my actions were in vain. I started a foundation over fifteen years ago called; Meltingpot music and artists.
I organized many of these events and wanted to get them televised as a role-model to the world. I contacted the mayors-office and the state. Big television makers and such I tried it all.
No one responded. The only thing that sells is big brother and famous fucks dancing.
I tried very hard indeed to have the Amsterdam gay pride to become a People Pride Parade. But even the gays lined up against me.

Interesting. I see your point, People Pride is far preferable to Gay Pride. However, I also see the other side. 364 days a year we're expected to act "normally" and not let on that we're gay. Some people would prefer that we disappear altogether. You've got a tough sell convincing us gays to give up our one day a year we can be visible in society for who we really are without being considered "in your face". I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying you've got your work cut out for you.

trinityroy wrote:Ask yourselves why suicide in the western world is on the rise?! My answer is this; give your young something to fight and work for. And I do not mean your fucking cars, tits, and second, third or fourth houses. Your role-models suck!
I am so displeased with what the modern world now depicts. I have now started drinking and are becoming more and more fatalistic.

Well that hardly seems helpful. If you can't be a happy and moderate drunk, you probably should avoid drinking for awhile, at least until your overall outlook improves.

trinityroy wrote:I wish upon you all the fruits of your labor and that you may all reap what you have sowed.

Obviously we will, so wishing for it seems redundant. But it's the thought that counts, I guess.

trinityroy wrote:However I also hope that America learns quickly from its mistakes before it is too late and becomes a role-model to the world again.

Not half as much as I do, I can promise you. I've considered moving away in protest several times, but my family lives here.

trinityroy wrote:I suggest you create a global consumer rights organization that helps the worlds population in primary needs and makes sure, luxurious goods are more heavily taxed.

Here's my problem with "consumer rights". Since when do we have a right to "consume" anything other than what we need to comfortably get by? I agree with you, I'm just questioning the entire concept of "consumer rights".

trinityroy wrote:A Global organization, that keeps a close eye on monsanto corporations and such. To go crazy and become frustrated civilizations as is happening now is easy but leads to punishment for us all. I am witnessing at this moment what bad choices lead to. Holland is an American micro cosmos in Europe. And here we are seeing sooner than in the States the effects of bad political and civil choices. At present Holland has dropped in less than two decades from the most social, innovative and progressive countries in Europe to one of the lesser in all aforementioned fields as well as in economy.
To say we care about the future of our children or even our neighbors has become very quickly an open lie. You want to conquer the stars and dominate planets, but so far we as a species have not even shown we are capable to do right, right here on planet earth. As far as I myself am concerned I would like to grow old farming or fishing because your urban promises have turned very sour indeed. Your movies are twisted and infantile, as is your music. And that is even with advancing production techniques. I could have been a great asset to the collective. The choice for the future is between societies based upon Class and Education or prolonged extremes between rich and poor and self inflicted and home grown terror and pain. YOU CHOOSE and better sooner than later. It is not up to your leaders it is up to you all! Citizens of the World! Think National act Global!
Do it again and restore Democratic values.
I remain in hope forever as I am forever Trinityroy Trafford fellow human and a timeless entity.

I'm curious about Holland. I've always thought it was a pretty progressive place. But I don't live there, so I don't have an insider's perspective. How is it bad there? How is it not socially progressive?

Hey, I hope you don't think I'm trying to attack you or anything. I actually agree with you on most points. I just wasn't quite sure how to respond to your post, but I felt one was necessary.

Welcome to the board!

by **trinityroy** on Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:46 pm

i would like to thank you for your honest opinion and will reply to the questions you posed asap. I am pleased to see you went with me into the matter. I will decline from giving quick answer now, but for as far as the gay thing is conceirned. it is to me more about declaring everything and everybody a minority and then loosing democracy because we are all so buissy fighting for those rights instead of human rights.
speak to you soon and have most enjoyable days Trinityroy.
also at http://www.myspace.com/hyves

by **Rupchuk** on Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:10 pm

I have a rather idealistic pessimism. I believe the world is in decline, that all the good things accomplished by our ancestors are now being thrown away all for the sake of "public safety" and "fighting terrorism". I speak mostly of America, but a lot of other countries follow suit. Why is it that society as a whole is willing to have police armed with AR-15s patrolling our capital but yet the idea of an armed citizenship frightens some? Why is it that we are willing to give up ours rights and liberties that our forefathers bled and died for (not to mention the pain our foremothers had to endure watching their sons, brothers, and husbands die and come home mangled) in order to fight "terrorism" instead of letting our citizens express those rights that have kept us secure for the last 200 years? Or at least they didn't endanger us.

America was the star of the west 100 years ago. Europeans came to America in droves because America was the land of opportunity. In America you could be free from the government. Now we're constantly bombarded with the need to stay safe from terrorists that were created by our foreign policy.

Anyways I think it'll go a bit further, to a breaking point. Then once it reaches that point the citizens will have had enough and take up arms to oust the political fat cats and hopefully a new America, founded much in the same as the first America, will be born.

by **killerbee** on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:03 pm

by **killerbee** on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:05 pm

Rupchuk wrote:
America was the star of the west 100 years ago. Europeans came to America in droves because America was the land of opportunity. In America you could be free from the government. Now we're constantly bombarded with the need to stay safe from terrorists that were created by our foreign policy.

Anyways I think it'll go a bit further, to a breaking point. Then once it reaches that point the citizens will have had enough and take up arms to oust the political fat cats and hopefully a new America, founded much in the same as the first America, will be born.

Its a good thing they were European and not Mexican.

Surely armed revolution is impossible in USA. Maybe you have some romantic idea of a Paul Reveir riding down the freeway on his hummer callining the citizens to arms with Davy Crockett waiting in the wings ready to lead the charge when in fact it would be carnage. You have armed gangs, super rich drug barrons up against an armed rabble of citizens fighting each other for power. If you think it's bad now "You aint seen nothing yet"

America restoring Democratic values 2008 ?!

America restoring Democratic values 2008 ?!

Re: America restoring Democratic values 2008 ?!

thnx for your nuanced reply

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