I have just read an article
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home
in which Obama has been reported as starting to wear a flag pin to prove his patriotism.
For a start why would anyone assume that the man wasn't patriotic? Most of his adult life has been spent on Public Service in one form or another. The man is highly educated and I am sure could make an extremely good income away from public life.

If an intelligent person is willing to put themselves in the glare of publicity that follows a presidential nomination I don't understand how their patriotism can be challenged. ( The "intelligent person" part of the above sentence explains the G W Bush oddity)

he's a victim of the spin drs---- its amazing what goes for thought and analysis in this country----

Unfortunately people link Reverend's Wright's views onto Barack Obama - something which is understandable if not short sighted - just because he was a member of Wright's Church. Reverend Wright has a chip on his shoulder about the great United States(sarcasm) which he has every right to - and makes a couple of good points - and obviously has an audience to vent his anger.

I, for one, tend to agree with Reverend Wright on most points....

Coyote wrote:I, for one, tend to agree with Reverend Wright on most points....

Me as well...I don't personally agree with HOW he articulates his thoughts.

It was probably just easier to finally put on the pin rather than have it become a campaign issue - again.

Dumb.

IMO, your patriotism is not definied by whether or not you wear a flag pin on your clothing.

That pin now has an American flag on one side and an Israeli flag on the other joined together. Someone mentioned "most" of Obama's "adult life". What about that other part of his life spent in Indonesia and traveling the Muslim countries of Africa? I don't agree with anything Rev. Wright says and especially the part about "***damn America". Does anybody here really think our government created aids to infect the black man? If thats the case then it went really bad. LMAO!

Definition:

supporter of own country: a proud supporter or defender of his or her country and its way of life.

1.) His public service is not patriotism, his action and petition doesn't reflect that of a patriot of this country. Well at less not for our country, thus explain his association with those hate group and his wife said it all.
2.) He wants to reduce the defense budget that would weakend our military.
3.) He doesn't know how many states do we have, for an educated man, I question that very much.
4.) Flag pin and presenting the right hand to the heart constitute a salute to the colors and a traditional gesture for those who are in the military, civilians and public officials like him, much more if you are running for the highest office (Commander in Chief), it's American and if he is, that would been a given, but he is not.
5.) He is not home grown, therefore his principles are not the same and that is the change of his promise.
6.) McCain is a patriot! Don't delute the meaning of that word to accomodate those who are lacking.

Let me ask this question. Why didn't he wear it prior to now that people are questioning his patriotism. Could it be just a spin off? RIGHT.....

EvilPopTarts wrote:I don't agree with anything Rev. Wright says and especially the part about "***damn America". Does anybody here really think our government created aids to infect the black man? If thats the case then it went really bad. LMAO!

You do realize that what Wright said, that the 'clips' the media showed of Wright's 'speech' was actually him quoting an American ambassador? To be exact, he was quoting Edward Peck, US ambassador to Iraq who was the one who said 'the chickens have come too roost'?

But that whole portion of his speech, was edited out by the media in order to make the words appear to be soley Wright's?

See, that's the problem with people that take what the media says at face value, rather then looking at the WHOLE picture. They go about perpetuating the myths of 'what the media says they said' rather then finding out what was actually said.

And HERE's what was actually said in regards to the 'God damn America' portion of his speech...In it's entirety, you can clearly see that he wasn't saying what the media presented it as...

“When it came to putting the citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters. Put them on auction blocks. Put them in cotton fields. Put them in inferior schools. Put them in substandard housing. Put them scientific experiments. Put them in the lower paying jobs. Put them outside the equal protection of the law. Kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education, and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness.”

“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America. Naw, naw, naw. Not God Bless America. God Damn America! That’s in the Bible. For killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating us citizens as less than human. God Damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and she is Supreme.”

“The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. Think about this. Think about this. For every one Oprah, a billionaire, you’ve got 5 million blacks that are out of work. For every one Colin Powell, a millionaire, you’ve got 10 million blacks who cannot read. For every one Condi-Skeezer Rice, you’ve got 1 million in prison. For every one Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters, with his Cablanasian hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women, God has this way of brining you up short when you get to big for your Cablanasian britches. For every one Tiger Woods, we’ve got 10,000 black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.”

“Tell your neighbor he’s (going to) help us one last time. Turn back and say forgive him for the God Damn, that’s in the Bible though. Blessings and curses is in the Bible. It’s in the Bible.

“Where government fail, God never fails. When God says it, it’s done. God never fails. When God wills it, you better get out the way, cause God never fails. When God fixes it, oh believe me it’s fixed. God never fails. Somebody right now, you think you can’t make it, but I want you to know that you are more than a conqueror through Christ. You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.”

And this was investigated by Roland Martin...CNN contributor for the Anderson Cooper 360 Show.

The two links I'm providing is from his investigation and provides the whole speeches that the media only showed blips of.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-wright%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cgod-damn-america%e2%80%9d-sermon/
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/

EvilPopTarts wrote: Someone mentioned "most" of Obama's "adult life". What about that other part of his life spent in Indonesia and traveling the Muslim countries of Africa?

I wanted to break your post down in 2 seperate responses as I didn't want one long response to your ramblings...

What do you mean 'his life spent in Indonesia and traveling Muslim countries of Africa'? Is this yet again another exaggeration by yet another anti-Obama fanatic?

He only lived in Indonesia as A CHILD...Between the ages of 6-10, because of his mother's marriage. That's a far cry from 'most of his adult life' considering he wasn't anywhere near being an adult.

What next? You going to try perpetuating that other myth, that he went to a 'Wahabi school' during that short time in Indonesia?

And considering that ALL the countries in Africa are Muslim...And considering Obama was in Africa on a DIPLOMATIC PEACE ASSIGNMENT by our country...What? Got to exaggerate there as well?

Do you know WHO the Somali Elders are? WHY he was there and in what context the picture of him in SOMALI ELDER GARB was?

Obviously not. So let me educate you there as well, since you want to perpetuate a lie about a group of people that are under US protection.

The Somali Elders are African Muslims...But more specifically, they are a group of PACIFIST MUSLIMS that are currently the victims of genocide in Africa. They are seeking to bring a peaceful end to the war situation happening in Africa and are systematically being wiped out of exisitance by not only radical Muslims in Africa, but by other war factions in Africa...

In fact, the Somali Elders have REFUGEE STATUS here in the US...Over the last decade and a half, we've been allowing them to come here to the US to avoid the genocide of their race and culture.

Obama was over there, on US directive, to HELP this particular group of people and try to get the other factions to stop killing them. To show that the US was protecting the rights of this particular culture and that to cause them harm was to incite the US to step in to protect them...

In otherwords, Obama wouldn't have been there in the first place if it wasn't for our country's intrests in this particular group and their welfare/safty.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2007Jul02/0,4675,Somalia,00.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/60ADC42C-14B3-454D-B31C-9BEA1F6B4ABA.htm
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-06/2006-06-02-voa21.cfm?CFID=265102192&CFTOKEN=28624633
http://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2007/aug/somali_elder_shot_dead_fighting_rocks_mogadishu.aspx

Know what I'd like from individuals like yourself? A bit of integrity and truth behind the exaggerations ya'll like to perpetuate about Obama...Not that I'm holding my breath though. Cause I don't think ya'll are capable of speaking honestly about him in the first place and expect people to be as gullible as ya'll are...

By the way? Here's a few pictures of Hillary in 'Muslim' dress too...And just like the situation that Obama was in when he was a US dignitary visiting another country...That of being diplomatic and showing respect towards those cultures a DIPLOMAT visits...Or should we take our cue from your innuendos that she's a 'sleeper Muslim' as well?

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AlicornsPrayer,

Very well said and a very strong arguement with some substance. Although, from my own experience at those ages as a child, many things remains also, which is an ages of foundation of what kind of a man you will become. But that can't be applied to all, however I will make my case short to the point. Hillary also wore the garb, yes? but she wore the pin as well. Doesn't that paint a better picture? It's abvious that he respected his background, but he disrespected his own country and the people by refusing to wear the colors and showing no respect to the national anthem. Was that to much to ask? These are facts that we know that happen, no fabrication, no exaggeration, where does his loyalty lay? Sure he is wearing it now, but It has no more substance. IMHO, I have no reservation that Obama lean towards his affiliation....none! Despite of being a minority myself.

Peace

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To be a patriot, you cannot be blinded by a mere ideas of "change and hope" due to the direction that this administration has lead this country. Sure we have issues in our communities and as civilization, but that's just part of what makes us different/same than any other nation and our diversity is part of our strength to settle those differences. You can't resolved wrong by being mistaken and I'm not so eagerly ready to give up what we stand for just because of what the world said or Obama said. Remember this country foundation is built in our belief in the All Mighty and the freedom that we scarecly acknowledge and take for granted. We had made mistake along the way, but we have done more good for the rest of the world as a sheperd to those that are in need. Tell me what country in history that has ever given so much to the world, enemies or friends, than we have ever taken back for what we need?..............NO ONE! Yet people forget so easily when your country needs you most.
So to those who are listening that are not Americans, this is our issues and our country. Please have the decency to stay out of it. And if you call yourself American and don't like this country anymore, leave and don't be a blister and show up when the works are done. Freaking faggits!

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Let me make my case simple then for you...

I'm as patriotic as they come...And I don't wear a pin nor believe it's a necessity for others to wear said pin just to show insecure individuals such as yourself, their patriotism...

And I find it particularly funny that your insistance that wearing a pin makes someone 'patriotic' is baseless and pretty darn superficial.

What I find appaling is that he started wearing a pin for superficial people like yourself that put more in stock on what a person wears then what's in that person's heart and soul.

This whole smear campaign is about SUPERFICIAL things...And idiotic assumptions about SUPERFICAL things because ya'll are too cowardly to look futher then what's on the outside and those little 'blips'...

If I had to question someone's patriotism...It wouldn't be those not wearing a flag pin...But those like yourself that put more into whether or not a flag pin is being worn.


Obama has done nothing to 'disrespect his nation'...Although the actions of people like yourselves who try to insinuate 'disrespectful actions' on his part are the true unpatriotic, disturbing individuals...

You insinuate these things in order to cause emotional terrorism in the hearts of my fellow Americans. You smear a man for no other reason then to further that terrorist agenda you are promoting in order to promote your personal canidate through blind ignorance and fear mongering.

Shame, shame, shame on you and those like yourself.

Smeagle wrote:So to those who are listening that are not Americans, this is our issues and our country. Please have the decency to stay out of it. And if you call yourself American and don't like this country anymore, leave and don't be a blister and show up when the works are done. Freaking faggits!

Smeagle,

(it's spelled "Smeagol", BTW) Anyone is welcome to post here on any topic, no matter what country they are from. Not agreeing with the way the country is run does not make one a "Freaking faggit" [sic], and let me tell you that this is the wrong forum to start running around calling people "faggits" just because you don't agree with them. And it's spelled "ot", not "it", but you probably knew that, because you probably changed it when the word censor got you.

Now you know.

-Coyote

Smeagle wrote:AlicornsPrayer,
Remember this country foundation is built in our belief in the All Mighty and the freedom that we scarecly acknowledge and take for granted. We had made mistake along the way, but we have done more good for the rest of the world as a sheperd to those that are in need. Tell me what country in history that has ever given so much to the world, enemies or friends, than we have ever taken back for what we need?..............NO ONE! Yet people forget so easily when your country needs you most.
So to those who are listening that are not Americans, this is our issues and our country. Please have the decency to stay out of it. And if you call yourself American and don't like this country anymore, leave and don't be a blister and show up when the works are done. Freaking faggits!

Coyote wrote:

Smeagle wrote:So to those who are listening that are not Americans, this is our issues and our country. Please have the decency to stay out of it. And if you call yourself American and don't like this country anymore, leave and don't be a blister and show up when the works are done. Freaking faggits!

Smeagle,

(it's spelled "Smeagol", BTW) Anyone is welcome to post here on any topic, no matter what country they are from. Not agreeing with the way the country is run does not make one a "Freaking faggit" [sic], and let me tell you that this is the wrong forum to start running around calling people "faggits" just because you don't agree with them. And it's spelled "ot", not "it", but you probably knew that, because you probably changed it when the word censor got you.

Now you know.

-Coyote

I wanted to add my 2 cents worth here as well as add to Coyote's words...

Our country wasn't founded on 'a belief in the All Mighty'...Our country was founded on the grounds of freedom from the tyranny of oppression and of religions. Our founding fathers were DIESTS.

Secondly, we haven't been the 'shephards' of the world...We've been the world's 'Big Brother'.

And our forum is for ALL people, no matter where they live, what religion they practice, their gender, or sexual orientation.

As such you will refrain from using derogitory terms towards exsisting members or potential members such as 'fa**ot'.

And as AMERICANS, that means it's our given right to disagree with anything we wish to in this country, despite what you'd prefere. Our soldiers have given their lives to guarentee each citizen's right to free speech, freedom from oppression, and the freedom to our personal religious choices. And that means those freedoms are extended to a citizen's right to publically disagree with our political policies past, present, and future.

If YOU personally don't like hearing an American expressing their grievances with our nation...Then perhaps YOU should be the one to move instead. Move to a country that doesnt' give to it's citizens the right to disagree with one's own goverment...Like the Middle East where tyranny as you are promoting is the 'norm'...

I for one though, will live here in this country because I'm guarenteed the rights to voice my disagreements from tyranical individuals as yourself, who believe my rights to protest should be denied.

AlicornsPrayer wrote:

EvilPopTarts wrote: Someone mentioned "most" of Obama's "adult life". What about that other part of his life spent in Indonesia and traveling the Muslim countries of Africa?

I wanted to break your post down in 2 seperate responses as I didn't want one long response to your ramblings...

What do you mean 'his life spent in Indonesia and traveling Muslim countries of Africa'? Is this yet again another exaggeration by yet another anti-Obama fanatic?

He only lived in Indonesia as A CHILD...Between the ages of 6-10, because of his mother's marriage. That's a far cry from 'most of his adult life' considering he wasn't anywhere near being an adult.

What next? You going to try perpetuating that other myth, that he went to a 'Wahabi school' during that short time in Indonesia?

And considering that ALL the countries in Africa are Muslim...And considering Obama was in Africa on a DIPLOMATIC PEACE ASSIGNMENT by our country...What? Got to exaggerate there as well?

Do you know WHO the Somali Elders are? WHY he was there and in what context the picture of him in SOMALI ELDER GARB was?

Obviously not. So let me educate you there as well, since you want to perpetuate a lie about a group of people that are under US protection.

The Somali Elders are African Muslims...But more specifically, they are a group of PACIFIST MUSLIMS that are currently the victims of genocide in Africa. They are seeking to bring a peaceful end to the war situation happening in Africa and are systematically being wiped out of exisitance by not only radical Muslims in Africa, but by other war factions in Africa...

In fact, the Somali Elders have REFUGEE STATUS here in the US...Over the last decade and a half, we've been allowing them to come here to the US to avoid the genocide of their race and culture.

Obama was over there, on US directive, to HELP this particular group of people and try to get the other factions to stop killing them. To show that the US was protecting the rights of this particular culture and that to cause them harm was to incite the US to step in to protect them...

In otherwords, Obama wouldn't have been there in the first place if it wasn't for our country's intrests in this particular group and their welfare/safty.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2007Jul02/0,4675,Somalia,00.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/60ADC42C-14B3-454D-B31C-9BEA1F6B4ABA.htm
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-06/2006-06-02-voa21.cfm?CFID=265102192&CFTOKEN=28624633
http://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2007/aug/somali_elder_shot_dead_fighting_rocks_mogadishu.aspx

Know what I'd like from individuals like yourself? A bit of integrity and truth behind the exaggerations ya'll like to perpetuate about Obama...Not that I'm holding my breath though. Cause I don't think ya'll are capable of speaking honestly about him in the first place and expect people to be as gullible as ya'll are...

By the way? Here's a few pictures of Hillary in 'Muslim' dress too...And just like the situation that Obama was in when he was a US dignitary visiting another country...That of being diplomatic and showing respect towards those cultures a DIPLOMAT visits...Or should we take our cue from your innuendos that she's a 'sleeper Muslim' as well?

[img:699:163]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/AlicornsPrayer/hillary2.jpg[/img]

[img:275:185]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/AlicornsPrayer/Hillary.jpg[/img]

LMAO.. You show me where I exaggerated anything. I asked a question. You know the difference?