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Free For All! A film about voter supression w/Greg Palast

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Free For All! A film about voter supression w/Greg Palast

Postby asterios on Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:07 pm

Trailer:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eRJbbtCbF8[/youtube]

I've been a researcher on this film for about a year, and I'm really happy to announce the trailer's out. Free For All! is a documentary covering the 2004 & 2006 elections in Ohio, focusing on the massive voter disenfranchisement perpetrated on Ohio's minority population.

It stars John Wellington Ennis & Greg Palast (author of "Armed Madhouse") as they hunt for the truth about how Republicans stole the 2004 election, and how they're planning to steal it again. Check it out!

Thanks so much,
Asterios Kokkinos

[img:456:674]http://www.freeforall.tv/FREE_FOR_ALL%21_Premieres_July_4th_files/FFAposter3.jpg[/img]
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Postby Rupchuk on Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:38 pm

I don't know about the election being stolen. It's possible, but I can't say one way or another. There is a saying that seems relevant here though, it was by a man familiar with stifling democracy. Joseph Stalin said, "It doesn't matter who casts the votes but who counts them."
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

"A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people." -Declaration of Independence

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Postby Smeagle on Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:57 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YzW7_c6XvU[/youtube]

Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages." {Rev 17:15 NIV}

"The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled." {Rev 17:15-17 NIV}

We learned in our study of Revelation 13 what it means to have the mark of the beast written on ones forehead. It is to mentally ascribe to and agree with the beast, to be committed to the Beast's authority.


I'm not a religious fanatic, however I find this very interesting. The quotes that I posted was actually directed to the Roman Catholic Church, which I find inaccurate and twisted. Here's the reason why:

"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
She has become a home for demons
and a haunt for every evil spirit,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth
committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries." {Rev 18:1-3 NIV}

Here's another:

"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more -- cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep, horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men." {Rev 18:11-13 NIV}

"They will say, 'The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.' The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn and cry out:

"Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, 'Was there ever a city like this great city?' They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out:
{Rev 18:14-19 NIV}

For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. "

For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness. (2 Thessalonians 2: 11-12.)



I don't think the Revelation speak of Rome at all, but it speak of a wicked nation which is us. You guys should do a research on Ephraim and Manasseh (The two sons of Joseph who is the true Israel) to learn what happen to the House of Judah after it was destroy and where the Stone of David went or is now. Who is Israel or should it be which one is Ephriam and Manneseh? Also, read about the covenant of God and the promise to Abraham.
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Postby mihapiha on Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:23 pm

That is so sick for anyone to say such things.

"He wants to remove the Jews and then the church."

Check your record, stupide. Besides the fact that that can not be done, I didn’t hear any candidate for any office in the western world try to threaten Jews or Christians.

What is that guy?! Did he say those things in a Church?! What does any of that have to do with Jesus or God.

Maybe I'm wrong, but shouldn't the church teach you about the bible and not about politics and who you supposed to vote? Because that’s the first time I heard a preacher preach about something else then the bible. Seems in Europe we expect somehow something different when we go to church.

Question to every American at this point: Does the religion of a presidential candidate really influence in your decision who to vote?

Because looking from the other side of the ocean, it just seems that you look at this kind of stuff, that would not even be noticed here.
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"it doesn't matter how obvious you have made something, there will always be someone who doesn't get it and that person always tends to be around you."

"It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."

"There is no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people who ask questions."
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Postby Smeagle on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:16 pm

I posted additional information along with the youtube link. I challenge you to find out who is Ephriam and Manasseh.

Church should teach you moral values and obedient to the Lord our God, the rest are just rituals? And I don't put to much emphasis on churchs now a day, some are just as wicked as I am.

Because looking from the other side of the ocean, it just seems that you look at this kind of stuff, that would not even be noticed here.


Ahhh ummm from Georgia....home grown. Edit: Ah...you are European, forgive me. More likely a Wiccan? Many European I know are Wiccan at which were former Christian.

Yes, yes, we are losing our identity and our younger generation are consume with self interest. This election will determined if we continue with the way of the old that made this country great or in a new undetermined path.
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Postby mihapiha on Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:52 pm

Ephriam and Manasse are two of 12 tribes in Israel.

So the question is not who ;) but what.

The story is mentioned in the Hebraic bible in the first book of Moses. It describes the history of Jerusalem by Joseph.

I did however find an old map of Israel were those tribes are marked. Unfortunately it’s in German but it should explain itself.

Link: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:12_st ... sraels.png

Edit:

No I'm a real Christian. ;) Don’t go to church too often but I am. The region I live in has been Christian for at least 1100 years. But it’s hard to track those things so far back. So let's just say for about 800 years.
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Postby Smeagle on Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:11 pm

The stone of David was brought to Ireland by the decendant of the house of Judah (Israel) when they flee (intructed by god) from the Babylonian after it was destroy. Which now reside somewhere in UK, where? I'm not absolutely sure. However, it was thru Ephraim and Manaseh that the promise of the covenant was given/transfered. Not the Jews, but the house of Israel which is Ephraim and Manasseh. It's rather confusing, but I will find that article for you and I'll give you this link for now.


http://www.on2jerusalem.org/lost_sheep_ ... israel.htm
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Postby Smeagle on Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:33 am

Mihapiha, here's the link to that pdf article or point of view.

http://wonderfulworldtomorrow.org/bookl ... _US_UK.pdf
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Postby killerbee on Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:39 am

MY imaginary freind is biger and more powerful than YOUR imaginary freind. and I'll kill you if you disagree with me.

Makes a lot of sense to me.
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Postby Smeagle on Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:48 am

Quite the contrary, your comment reminds me of my son when he discover his penis. It was tangible therefore life is good!
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Postby Smeagle on Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:07 am

http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2008/01/ ... -list.html

The link above provide the delegates count of the primary election. Funny thing, the majority of the delegate that went with Obama went against the voters choice within the state's that they represent. Yaaa, it was rig by the DNC.
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Postby misericordia on Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:13 pm

the trouble with tribbles is, everybody's been bought by big industry, big oil, big money, but Ron Paul, and the media suppressed him, and he's out, but not forgotten. viva la rEVOLuion!
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Postby killerbee on Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:44 pm

Who really cares what happened over 2,000 years ago?
The bible was written for a generation that thought the World was flat. Move on, things change and so should you.
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