Obama supports, encourages illegal immigrants...

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Illegal aliens are just that, illegal. They take our jobs, our tax dollars pay for their upkeep and they bring more violent crime into the U.S.

Obama said the recent Senate immigration debate "was both ugly and racist in a way we haven't see since the struggle for civil rights."
Obama told La Raza that the mass protests lately for immigration rights of Mexicans is equal in greatness to the civil rights protest of the past.
La Raza is a radical pro-illegal immigration lobbying organization that supports racist groups calling for the secession of the western United States as a Hispanic-only homeland.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1870205/posts
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/p...../107230063/1001
http://cbs4.com/topstories/la.raza.hillary.2.404560.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/art.....RTICLE_ID=41628
http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

Omama supports La Raza's, the "DREAM Act," which would mandate states to offer in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens -- thus providing them with benefits not available to U.S. citizens from other states.

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As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

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Every one of your sources is what most call conservative or right wing sources. I went to La Raza site and could not find a call for Hispanics only country.

http://www.nclr.org/

I am sure you will find some way to dispute their site, but please show me where they call for their own natoion in the West.

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Illegal aliens are just that, illegal. They take our jobs, our tax dollars pay for their upkeep and they bring more violent crime into the U.S.

If the government was doing it's job that wouldn't have happened in the first place. You're blaming the illegals for the shortfalls of the government you pay taxes to, to protect you from this sort of thing. You're barking up the wrong tree. IMO.

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OK cyberella, what about all the Iraqis that want to come tpo the US?

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Obama said the recent Senate immigration debate "was both ugly and racist in a way we haven't see since poststhe struggle for civil rights."...
Obama told La Raza that the mass protests lately of for immigration rights of Mexicans is equal in greatness to the civil rights protest of the past.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1870205/posts http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/p...../107230063/1001
http://cbs4.com/topstories/la.raza.hillary.2.404560.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/art.....RTICLE_ID=41628
http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

Omama supports La Raza's, the "DREAM Act," which would mandate states to offer in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens -- thus providing them with benefits not available to U.S. citizens from other states.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/art.....RTICLE_ID=41628 http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.d...mplate=nextpage http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/.....5&num=93899

"I will stand with the Muslims and protect them.." Obama. http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA
1111 19th Street NW
Suite 1000
Washington, DC
20036

Largest Hispanic organization in the U.S.
Lobbies for racial preferences, bilingual education, stricter hate crimes laws, mass immigration, and amnesty for illegal aliens

Founded in 1968 as the Southwest Council of La Raza, the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) is the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States. It works “to improve opportunities for Hispanic Americans,” who are, in its estimation, an oppressed minority that suffers much injustice and discrimination in American society. Through its network of nearly 300 affiliated community-based organizations, NCLR is active in 41 states, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia. To achieve its mission, NCLR conducts applied research, policy analysis, and advocacy, “providing a Latino perspective” in the following areas:

Advocacy and Electoral Empowerment: In an effort “to reduce poverty and discrimination and improve life opportunities for Hispanics,” NCLR works for “increased Latino participation in the political process.”

Civil Rights and Justice: “Discrimination severely limits the economic and social opportunities available to Hispanic Americans. NCLR [seeks] to promote and protect equality of opportunity in voting, justice issues, education, employment, housing, and health care for all Americans.”

Community and Family Wealth-Building: Lamenting the Hispanic community’s “lack of access to capital,” this program aims “to measurably increase the level of … assets” held by that demographic. Toward that end, NCLR has initiated America’s largest Hispanic Community Development Finance Institution (CDFI) to provide low-cost capital.

Education: This program “focuses its investment in the areas of early childhood education and high-school reform, where the disparity between Latinos and other groups is greatest. NCLR [engages in] advocacy for policy outcomes that will make the nation’s public school system more responsive to the needs of Latino children.” NCLR also supports the DREAM Act, which is designed to allow illegal aliens to attend college at the reduced tuition rates normally reserved for in-state legal residents.

Employment and Economic Opportunities: This initiative “seeks to advance the economic well-being of Latinos by focusing its program and policy work on closing the employment and skills gaps between Latinos and other Americans … [and] in increasing access to federally-funded job training services and opportunities for Latino workers.”

Farmworkers: “NCLR conducts policy analyses and advocacy activities in this area in order to improve conditions and opportunities for the nation’s farmworkers. NCLR also works very closely with the Farmworker Justice Fund, Inc. a national advocacy group for migrant and seasonal workers [illegal aliens].”

Health and Family Support: NCLR collaborates with a variety of organizations -- state, local, and national -- to promote “reform” that would give illegal immigrants full access to taxpayer-funded health care services.

Immigration: NCLR strives “to encourage immigration policies that are fair and nondiscriminatory, to encourage family reunification, and to enact necessary reforms to the current immigration system.” In short, it favors amnesty for illegals already residing in the U.S., and open borders henceforth. In La Raza’s calculus, any restriction on the free movement of immigrants constitutes a violation of their civil rights, and any reduction in government assistance to illegal border-crossers is “a disgrace to American values.” Thus La Raza supports continued mass Mexican immigration to the United States, and hopes to achieve, by the sheer weight of numbers, the re-partition of the American Southwest as a new state called Aztlan -- to be controlled by its alleged rightful owners, the people and government of Mexico. La Raza is also a sponsoring organization of the Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride Coalition, which seeks to secure ever-expanding rights and civil liberties protections for illegal immigrants, and policy reforms that diminish or eliminate future restrictions on immigration. At many of the “pro-immigration” rallies that NCLR members have attended in recent times, their signature slogan has been: "La Raza unida nunca sera vencida!" ("The united [Hispanic] race will never be defeated!")
With regard to national security concerns, NCLR has strongly opposed most of the U.S. government’s post-9/11 counterterrorism efforts, alleging that they have “undermined” the rights of “noncitizen Latinos.” For example: La Raza was a signatory to a March 17, 2003 letter exhorting members of the U.S. Congress to oppose Patriot Act II on grounds that it "contain[ed] a multitude of new and sweeping law enforcement and intelligence gathering powers … that would severely dilute, if not undermine, many basic constitutional rights"; it has endorsed the Community Resolution to Protect Civil Liberties campaign, a project that tries to influence city councils to pass resolutions to be non-compliant with the provisions of the Patriot Act; it endorsed the December 18, 2001 “Statement of Solidarity with Migrants,” which was drawn up by the National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights and called upon the U.S. government to “end discriminatory policies passed on the basis of legal status in the wake of September 11”; and it endorsed the Civil Liberties Restoration Act of 2004, which was designed to roll back, in the name of protecting civil liberties, vital national-security policies that had been adopted after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

NCLR’s major policy positions also include the following:

It supports access to driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants.
It opposes the REAL ID Act, which requires that all driver’s license and photo ID applicants be able to verify they are legal residents of the United States, and that the documents they present to prove their identity are genuine. According to La Raza, this law “opens the door to widespread discrimination and civil rights violations.”
It opposes the Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act (CLEAR), which would empower state and local law-enforcement authorities to enforce federal immigration laws. La Raza argues this would “result in higher levels of racial profiling, police misconduct, and other civil rights violations.”
It lobbies for racial and ethnic preferences (affirmative action) and set-asides in hiring, promotions, and college admissions.
It supports bilingual education and bilingual ballots.
It supports voting rights for illegal aliens.
It supports stricter hate-crime laws.
It opposes the Aviation Transportation and Security Act requiring that all airport baggage screeners be U.S. citizens.
It opposed President Bush’s signing of the "Secure Fence Act of 2006” which authorized 700 miles of new border fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border.
As columnist Michelle Malkin reports, La Raza seeks to inculcate young people with its worldview by funding a number of charter schools that advocate ethnic separatism and anti-American, anti-white attitudes. Among these schools are the following:

Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, Arizona is "structured and developed around the concepts of identity, culture, and language." It supports local ethnic lobbying efforts "to right social injustices by educating the community and helping create social change." Under the heading "Greatest Achievements," the school's website lists its visit from the Marxist academic fraud Rigoberta Menchu, and its sponsorship of the Mexican holiday Dia de los Muertos.
La Academia Semillas del Pueblo is a Los Angeles public school that teaches children "Aztec math" and the Mexican indigenous language of "Nahuatl." The principal, Marcos Aguilar, is an ethnic separatist who told a UCLA interviewer: "We don't want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don't need a White water fountain. … We are not interested in what they have because we have so much more and because the world is so much larger. And ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction."
Aztlan Academy in south Tucson seeks “to integrate a meaningful Chicano Studies program into [students’] lives, language, and academics, as a means of developing their intellects as well as their pride and self-esteem." ("Aztlan" is the separatist name for the Southwestern United States that NCLR hopes will someday reunite with Mexico.)
The Dolores Huerta Preparatory High School in Pueblo, Colorado is named after the Latina labor union activist who is a Board member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
The Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in Saint Paul, Minnesota supports the aforementioned federal DREAM Act.
An eminent figure in NCLR's history is Raul Yzaguirre, who served as the organization's President and CEO from 1974 to 2004. A notable former Chairman is Jose Villareal.

The organization's current President is Janet Murquia, who worked at the White House in various capacities from 1994 to 2000, ultimately as deputy assistant to President Bill Clinton. Immediately prior to joining NCLR, she was the Executive Vice Chancellor for University Relations at the University of Kansas.

In 2005 NCLR received some $15.2 million in federal grants, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools; undisclosed amounts were earmarked for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions.

NCLR also receives funding from the American Express Foundation; the Allstate Foundation; the AT&T Foundation; the Bank of America Foundation; the Carnegie Corporation of New York; the Annie E. Casey Foundation; the Fannie Mae Foundation; the Ford Foundation; the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation; the Joyce Foundation; the W. K. Kellogg Foundation; the John D. & Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation; the Open Society Institute; the David and Lucile Packard Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation; and the Verizon Foundation.

NCLR’s total revenues in 2005 were $25.3 million. Its net assets that year were nearly $52.4 million.

**Coyote** · Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:53 am Post subject:

cyberella,

please use the [quote] tags so we know what part of your posts are copied and pasted vs. what part of your posts are your own words.

Thanks,

-C

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cyberella

Flooding your post with all that info to make your case is a waste of time as far as I'm concerned. If I wanted to know what the people at those links have to say I'd be talking to them. I haven't clicked on any of your links because I've heard all this stuff before, and to the well informed people out there you present a weak point suggesting Obama is the great leader of the Muslims, out to take over the country.

You must have went into cardiac arrest when a Muslim was sworn in as a congressman, swearing an oath to uphold the Constiution with his hand on the Koran. Laughing

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Obama said the recent Senate immigration debate "was both ugly and racist in a way we haven't see since poststhe struggle for civil rights."...
Obama told La Raza that the mass protests lately of for immigration rights of Mexicans is equal in greatness to the civil rights protest of the past.

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Omama supports La Raza's, the "DREAM Act," which would mandate states to offer in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens -- thus providing them with benefits not available to U.S. citizens from other states.

[www.worldnetdaily.com] [www.washingtontimes.com] [www.postchronicle.com]

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This is his policy on immigration.

Improve Our Immigration System

The overwhelming majority of immigrants, both legal and undocumented, come to this country with the hope that hard work and sacrifice will secure a better life for their children. Every year, a million people enter the country legally and another 500,000-800,000 people come illegally or illegally overstay their visas. Barack Obama believes we must fix the broken system to meet the needs of the U.S. economy. Obama believes immigrant workers should have legal protections to avoid abuse and downward pressure on American wages and working conditions. He also realizes the need to increase the number of people we allow into the country legally to a level that keeps families together and meets the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.

Obama joined Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) to introduce the Citizenship Promotion Act to ensure that immigration application fees are both reasonable and fair. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services decided to raise fees on applications to as much as $2,400 for a family of four. Obama's bill reverses large fee increases for legal immigrants seeking to become citizens and provides grants to states to help promote citizenship. Another key choke point in the process to becoming a legal permanent resident or a U.S. citizen is the F.B.I. name/security check. Many law-abiding legal immigrants see their immigration applications delayed by months and often years as the overwhelmed F.B.I. completes their background checks. Obama introduced legislation that passed the Senate to improve the speed and accuracy of these background checks.

In the most recent immigration debate on the U.S. Senate floor, Obama fought to improve and pass a comprehensive bill. Obama introduced amendments to put greater emphasis on keeping immigrant families together and to revisit a controversial new points system that never received a proper public hearing. Obama will continue to work for a comprehensive bill that fixes our broken immigration system.

Bring People Out of the Shadows

There are millions of people living in the shadows who would like to fully embrace our values and become full members of our democracy. For the millions living here illegally but otherwise playing by the rules, we must encourage them to come out of hiding and get right with the law. Barack Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, not violate the law, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.

Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally

To remove incentives to enter the country illegally, we need to crack down on employers that hire undocumented immigrants. Barack Obama has championed a proposal with Senators Charles Grassley (R-IA), Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Max Baucus (D-MT) to create a new employment eligibility verification system so employers can verify that their employees are legally eligible to work in the U.S.

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cyberella posted:

NCLR’s total revenues in 2005 were $25.3 million. Its net assets that year were nearly $52.4 million.

And EXXON has net asset in the billions. Where do you want to go with this? Is it thatt they have enough money to hire Blackwater? What is the point?

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Quote from cyberella's post:

columnist Michelle Malkin reports, La Raza seeks to inculcate young people with its worldview by funding a number of charter schools that advocate ethnic separatism and anti-American, anti-white attitudes

Again this is an interruptation of what this person is pushing. If you want to go that route then the funding and specdial threatment of privates schools is basically the same thing, white people separating themselves. This is all a little silly. Do you, cyberella, buy into all thses links?

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Try living the reality of Laredo area ranchers:

How would YOU feel having to go around armed on your own property for fear of being attacked or shot at by illegal aliens and smugglers?

How would YOU feel every time your teenaged children left the house, worrying if they would return? 60 people have been kidnapped in the Laredo area!

How would YOU feel having to clean up trash daily left on your property by illegal aliens and smugglers, having your fences torn down and your dogs and livestock killed?

How would YOU feel finding a decomposed body of an illegal alien abandoned by a heartless smuggler on your property?

You people for supporting illegal aliens, you should try living along the border in Texas!
The border city of Laredo, Texas has had 60 persons kidnapped and is in mayhem.

Murders and beheadings abound due to Laredo being across the U.S.-Mexican border from the Mexican city NUEVO LAREDO. Nuevo Larado is a corrupt drug infested murder capital that sends drugs, kidnappers & illegal aliens across the border to Laredo, Texas to rape, kidnap & murder Americans.

And instead of sending money and troops to the Texas border to clean this up, the U.S. is pouring billions into the Mexican government for them to clean it up.
It is doubtful little if any of this money will go into cleaning up the border, but down some corrupt Mexican rathole.

And what ABOUT these 60 people missing? How many know about it?
The media is too busy 24/7 reporting on the girl missing in Aruba- or Brittany or Paris!

How many people know about the long-time Texas ranchers who live in fear of the illegal aliens and smugglers who cut across their property? How many know about them being shot at, their homes being broken into?

We need a president who will put a stop to this! Send money and troops to guard and clean up our borders!

Obviously it isn't Barack Hussein Obama: (or Hillary}

Obama's speech to La Raza:
(La Raza (The Race), Largest Hispanic organization in the U.S.
Lobbies for racial preferences, bilingual education, stricter hate crimes laws, mass immigration, and amnesty for illegal aliens )

Obama said the recent Senate immigration debate "was both ugly and racist in a way we haven't see since poststhe struggle for civil rights."...
Obama told La Raza that the mass protests lately of for immigration rights of Mexicans is equal in greatness to the civil rights protest of the past.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1870205/posts http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/p...../107230063/1001
http://cbs4.com/topstories/la.raza.hillary.2.404560.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/art.....RTICLE_ID=41628
http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

Omama supports La Raza's, the "DREAM Act," which would mandate states to offer in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens -- thus providing them with benefits not available to U.S. citizens from other states.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/art.....RTICLE_ID=41628 http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.d...mplate=nextpage http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/.....5&num=93899

"I will stand with the Muslims and protect them.." Obama. http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

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I can't say I agree with Obama's policies, but as far as the area of Texas you're talking about---Texas is not the United States.

**cyberella** · Associate Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
http://www.texasborderregulators.org/content/view/15/1/
The Heritage Foundation ^ | 10/25/06 | Robert Rector
The National Academy of Sciences has estimated that each immigrant without a high school degree will cost U.S. taxpayers, on average, $89,000 over the course of his or her lifetime.[3] This is a net cost above the value of any taxes the immigrant will pay and does not include the cost of educating the immigrant’s children, which U.S. taxpayers would also heavily subsidize. In this way, the roughly six million legal immigrants without a high school diploma will impose a net cost of around a half-trillion dollars on U.S. taxpayers over their lifetimes

Crime Statisitcs
95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport bowdown

s".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens.
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal.
Birth Statistics
380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
Last Updated ( Friday, 20 July 2007 )

Murders and beheadings abound due to Laredo being across the U.S.-Mexican border from the Mexican city NUEVO LAREDO. Nuevo Larado is a corrupt drug infested murder capital that sends drugs, kidnappers & illegal aliens across the border to Laredo, Texas to rape, kidnap & murder Americans.

And instead of sending money and troops to the Texas border to clean this mess up, the U.S. is pouring billions into the Mexican government for them to clean it up.
It is doubtful little if any of this money will go into cleaning up the border, but down some corrupt Mexican rathole.

And what ABOUT these 60 people missing? How many know about it?
The media is too busy 24/7 reporting on the girl missing in Aruba- or Brittany or Paris!

How many people know about the long-time Texas ranchers who must go around armed on their own property and live in fear of the illegal aliens and smugglers who cut across their property? How many know about them being shot at, their homes being broken into?

We need a president who will put a stop to this! Send money and troops to guard and clean up our borders!

Obviously it isn't Barack Hussein Obama: (or Hillary}

Obama's speech to La Raza:
(La Raza (The Race), Largest Hispanic organization in the U.S.
Lobbies for racial preferences, bilingual education, stricter hate crimes laws, mass immigration, and amnesty for illegal aliens )

Obama said the recent Senate immigration debate "was both ugly and racist in a way we haven't see since poststhe struggle for civil rights."...
Obama told La Raza that the mass protests lately of for immigration rights of Mexicans is equal in greatness to the civil rights protest of the past.
Obama solicits La Raza backing [www.washingtontimes.com]

Omama supports La Raza's, the "DREAM Act," which would mandate states to offer in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens -- thus providing them with benefits not available to U.S. citizens from other states.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/
[cbs4.com] [www.worldnetdaily.com]
http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1870205/posts

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Clinton, Obama address La Raza - 07/23/2007 - MiamiHerald.com

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Washington Times, et al are conserv outlet, what would you think they are gonna say? I get it! You think Obama bad! Neocons good! Please let us know what YOU think, we already know what your heores think.