I think I'd have a pretty big issue if someone tried to stop me from eating. When are they just going to leave people alone. So many restrictions, can't do this can't do that.

No deep-fried aligator for you!

What is the difference between legislation of this sort and smoking bans? Or helmet laws? This is legislating morality, forcing others to do what's "for thier own good," whatever that is. And who is the determiner of what is good? The slippery slope of this sort of thing will not stop with overwieght people. Thank goodness this was not in California, where most loopy laws originate, or it would be proposed on a national level next week.

I kinda chuckled reading the replies. The same people that complain that Government is overstepping their bounds by telling fat people what they can eat are the same people that support the Government telling me how much of the money I earn I can keep. Perhaps applying your greasy food philosophy to your money would serve you a little better.

Ghost Wolf wrote:What is the difference between legislation of this sort and smoking bans? Or helmet laws?

Smoking bans I get. It's unfair to non-smokers to have to deal w/ the somkers in public places. If you want to smoke, go outside or somewhere private. This is a case where the law protects those who would be adversely affected by the actions of others.

The helmet law, however, IMO is no different than what's being proposed for the overweight in this case. If I choose to ride a motorcycle w/o a helmet & I wipe out & splatter my brains all over the road, that doesn't hurt anyone but me (even if another vehicle was involved, whether I'm wearing a helmet or not has no bearing on how much/little injury the occupant(s) of the other vehicle would endure).

Frag,

Im gonna assume you have insurance that is why you don't think it would effect anyone else, but follow me here, and keep in mind that this comes from someone who owns a 2005 1500 Vulcan and rides is proudly around Florida with no helmet....

You wreck no helmet, suffer brain damage. That's okay right cause you got insurance, no harm no foul??? Well let's say you don't die but go into a coma, $250,000 later the doctors can't revive/save you, you die. Insurance comany pays the bill, who gets shafted for the difference in what you've paid in premiums and what they paid out?

Nobody. Insurance companies have every right to adjust their premiums based on a questionaire. They arleady ask if you're a smoker - it would be just as easy to ask about recreational activities like Mototcycle riding & whether or not you wear a helmet. If you ride & don't, they could charge you a higher premium.

Are you saying you'd agree w/ this 'fat people's' law?

Where have all these raving right wing posts come from while I've been away?

I would have thought that after your raving right wing presidents record of sending the most prosperous country in the world into virtual bankruptcy and doing in the the World Record time of just under 8 years, you would all be hanging your collective heads in shame.

Frag Monger wrote:Nobody. Insurance companies have every right to adjust their premiums based on a questionaire. They arleady ask if you're a smoker - it would be just as easy to ask about recreational activities like Mototcycle riding & whether or not you wear a helmet. If you ride & don't, they could charge you a higher premium.

Are you saying you'd agree w/ this 'fat people's' law?

No Im not saying I agree with the Fat's People's law. However Fat people do cost me money. They take hospital beds, treatments and other resources that raise the overall cost of health care. Just like the motorcycle rider that crashes with no helmet. Now yes the insurance company can raise your rates, but in the real world that all of us actually live in, they do not charge 2,000 a month for premiums for you to make a stupid decision so therefore, again, the public takes the hit for the increased cost of health care based upon your, and my, bad decision not to wear a helmet.

killerbee wrote:Where have all these raving right wing posts come from while I've been away?

I would have thought that after your raving right wing presidents record of sending the most prosperous country in the world into virtual bankruptcy and doing in the the World Record time of just under 8 years, you would all be hanging your collective heads in shame.

Killerbee,

Obviously you haven't read my post on my opinion on the Republican congress and President Bush's spending practices. Now if your refering to the mortgage crisis you need to study up and read the articles I posted yesterday, from such right wing conservative publications such as the New York Times, and the Congressional Record that put the blame at the Democrats feet for this current crisis.

Correction, they put the blame there 10 YEARS AGO!

Got anything more recent that agrees w/ those ancient articles?

Frag one article was from 1999 which started off the program. The other 7 articles I linked range from one in 2003 when Bush asked for Fannie Mae oversight and Democrats blocked it, to one in 2005 when John McCain sponsored a bill for Fannie Mae oversight and Democrats blocked it, to the rest of them being dated September of 2008. So again either you choose to ignore the facts or your hatred makes you so blind that you cannot see.

Fat people do cost me money

wtf?!?!? dude--- EVerybody dies, and few get 'struck down'---strokes, heart attacks, diabetes--- they come to all--- large, small, make female, black , white-- do not presume to think if y our bmi is on the money that death is not stalking you--- your arteries are turning to pure calcium as we speak----

old people , cancer patients, and those with horrible genetic abnormalities cost you money --- should we regulate them out of existence? take the little kids with type 1 diabetes out too, they're life long cluster fucks----- oooo, and what about alzhiemer pts--- years n years of takin up air in crazy land--- BIG money...and what about those brain injured, or autistic children---another life long cluster----or automotive accident victims requiring long term pt or ot---suckin up the bux!!! man, you must hate goin to the hospital and seein folks all laid up---- money just FLYIN out of your pockets...

whos next? profoundly mentally handicapped people?

jesus christ, they keep us so busy on this STOOOOOPID shit, they can do whatever in the fuck they want, and declare themselves immune or send up some sacrificial lamb they'll give the 12th hour reprieve to and its all fukkin good.....BUSiness as USual--- nice job if you can get it...keep em busy, keep em scared, and they wont have a clue what hit em till we're gone...

killerbee wrote:Where have all these raving right wing posts come from while I've been away?

I would have thought that after your raving right wing presidents record of sending the most prosperous country in the world into virtual bankruptcy and doing in the the World Record time of just under 8 years, you would all be hanging your collective heads in shame.

"Raving right wing posts?" I am a classic Liberal in the mold of Jefferson. I am an Independant, who flays both political parties equally. I look at an issue, and come to a decision about it based on fact, rather than emotion. That does not make one a "raving right wing" neo-con.

President Bush, love him or hate him, is the elected President of the United States. He is far from being a "conservative." He has espoused a mixture of mild liberalism (in the modern sense of the term) and fascism. I fail to see how Progressive/Marxist/Socialist policies will bring the country back to prosperity, being anti-capitalist in thier ideological core.

oddmanin wrote:Fat people do cost me money

jesus christ, they keep us so busy on this STOOOOOPID shit, they can do whatever in the fuck they want, and declare themselves immune or send up some sacrificial lamb they'll give the 12th hour reprieve to and its all fukkin good.....BUSiness as USual--- nice job if you can get it...keep em busy, keep em scared, and they wont have a clue what hit em till we're gone...

I will say that obesity, for most people, is one of the easiest, most costly medical conditions to correct. Yes I am sure that there are some people with conditions that preclude them from being able to control their size, however, most obese people could correct their condition with self discipline. Most of the conditions you attempt to compare to obesity people have no control over in the large scheme of life.

Perhaps the most costly "condition" existing today in this country is the disease of "no discipline", followed by the just as deadly "what's in it for me" disease.