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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby oddmanin on Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:38 pm

dude---
wtf...


can i just get my double cheezeburger with heavy pickle and onion now? i'm starting to get fukking cranky...
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby mr_spock on Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:48 pm

oddmanin wrote:dude---
wtf...


can i just get my double cheezeburger with heavy pickle and onion now? i'm starting to get fukking cranky...

Oddy, I love the way you cut right through the bullshit!
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby killerbee on Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:25 pm

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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby Frag Monger on Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:12 am

OneVoice wrote:1. A bus stop is not an establishment. It's a public place. It's paid for by tax-payers to use by all people.


That depends on the city. In many places, the bus system is run by a private company.

In either case, however, bus stop or restaurant - both serve the public. That makes both 'public' places (the exception would be a private club - which can apply for & get exemptions to the smoking laws in many citites).
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby Ghost Wolf on Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:55 am

There is no such thing as collective rights. Rights are individual, and inherent.

Since only an individual man can possess rights, the expression “individual rights” is a redundancy (which one has to use for purposes of clarification in today’s intellectual chaos). But the expression “collective rights” is a contradiction in terms.

“Collectivized ‘Rights,’” The Virtue of Selfishness, 101.


A group, as such, has no rights. A man can neither acquire new rights by joining a group nor lose the rights which he does possess. The principle of individual rights is the only moral base of all groups or associations.

“Collectivized ‘Rights,’” The Virtue of Selfishness, 102.


What subjectivism is in the realm of ethics, collectivism is in the realm of politics. Just as the notion that “Anything I do is right because I chose to do it,” is not a moral principle, but a negation of morality—so the notion that “Anything society does is right because society chose to do it,” is not a moral principle, but a negation of moral principles and the banishment of morality from social issues.

“Collectivized ‘Rights,’” The Virtue of Selfishness, 101.
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby Frag Monger on Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:38 pm

Who's hungry?
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby Ghost Wolf on Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:39 pm

Me, I'm having Taco Bell right now.
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby OneVoice on Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:52 pm

Frag Monger wrote:
OneVoice wrote:1. A bus stop is not an establishment. It's a public place. It's paid for by tax-payers to use by all people.


That depends on the city. In many places, the bus system is run by a private company.


If the private company is paid to operate that system using "taxes" then the government has a right to set guidelines and/or laws to regulate it, and the private company has the right to agree or not agree to take the contract.

In either case, however, bus stop or restaurant - both serve the public. That makes both 'public' places (the exception would be a private club - which can apply for & get exemptions to the smoking laws in many citites).


Doesn't matter one whit.

A restaurant is not supported by "taxes". It is supported by those who choose to spend their money there. No one has to eat there. No one is forced to eat there.

If a private company agrees to run a bus service for a "city" then people only have that choice if they must ride the bus.

Big, big, big, big, big, BIG difference. :wink:
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby Frag Monger on Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:55 pm

Private businesses that cater to the public must still conform to state & federal laws. No difference.
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby OneVoice on Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:04 pm

Frag Monger wrote:Private businesses that cater to the public must still conform to state & federal laws. No difference.


Okay... let's play it your way.

I'll open a restaurant and call it "private" (even though we all know that private clubs cater to the public too) and anyone who wishes to smoke can enter my doors. All they have to do is sign a piece of paper and pay me $$one cent$$ and they are members.

Cool... we solved that problem. :lol:
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby Frag Monger on Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:07 pm

That's not quite how private establishments work. Simply signing something & paying a 'cover' upon entering the door isn't enough. The place wouldn't be granted a private club license based on that and would have to adhere to all laws regarding public establishents.

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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby OneVoice on Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:09 pm

Frag Monger wrote: ...adhere to all laws regarding public establishents.


Uh... I thought you said the establishments were "private"?

Make up your mind.
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby Frag Monger on Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:11 pm

:roll: I swear you don't READ my replies. I said that, based on the model you presented, that establishment would not be granted a private club license - thereby meaning they'd have to adhere to all laws regarding public establishments.

Public - becuase they would be denied a private club license. Get it?
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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby mr_spock on Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:49 pm

killerbee wrote:Piss of Spock, I saw her first

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Re: No Food For Fat People

Postby Ghost Wolf on Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:04 pm

Here in Nashville, if a business, such as a resturant or bar, caters to a clientele 21 and older, smoking is permitted.
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