Technocratic Democracy for a new America...

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Now, you might ask yourself, "What is a 'Democratic Technocratic America?'"

Simply put, it is an America where leaders are elected, by the people, through qualifications of intellectual ability and general mental stability, sanity, and power. No more "Oh, he did drugs when he was in college!" Who didn't?! Or, "He's not Christian/White/Male! How do we know he can lead?!" Anyone who is intelligent can lead, it's just if we are willing to follow.

Technocracy is the idea that a group of the most intellectuals of a nation run the country according to what their minds can decide on as a whole. The democratic part will allow the people to elect officials who have their opinions in mind, or can listen to their point-of-views to present before their colleagues if they believe there is a strong point there.

Intellectuals(as any true intellectual will tell you) listen to each other. They can pay attention to other intellectuals and maybe even have their ideas changed if the other side presents a convincing argument.

No more Electoral College. That destroys the idea that the majority ideal can win, because democrats would have won the last two elections. The officials should be elected directly by the population.

There would be a system of 9(like the Justices of the Judicial branch) officials running the government, each with their own area of expertise to run. But any changes will be presented before the entire group and a vote will be cast on whether or not the change could be made(or pork-barreling will occur where changes to the proposition can be made so that everyone agrees on it).

The candidates themselves would be forced to pass certain qualifying tests over the area they want to preside over, with basic concentrations on the other branches of the government. Just like today, there are separate organizations in the government, such as Home Land Security, or the Department of Education, etc. The areas where the officials preside over will be the same basic structures, where some are linked together as one, depending on the relationship of the subjects.

The judicial system will still exist, but only justices appointed through agreements among the 9 leading government officials can be allowed to preside over the courts.

The legislative branch of the government will be removed. Congress and it's two chambers(The House of Representatives and the Senate) will be superfluous with the new executive branch being made up of people who will make the decisions(the 9 intellectuals that I have mentioned throughout the writing).

So far, how does this new government sound(this final questions leaves it open for people's interpretation of this idea, and any suggestions to my beliefs that could help me either better this idea, expand on it, or maybe even get rid of it all together through a new set of beliefs that could work even better)?
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Tumbleweed · Black Ops Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 3687 votes: 3

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Anyone who is intelligent can lead

I'm not sure what you consider intelligent but Bush has more brains than common sense. He has a high IQ I believe.

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through qualifications of intellectual ability and general mental stability, sanity, and power

That's a broad statement. Who is in charge of what criteria they need to meet? Power? What kind of power? Power of suggestion or persuasion?

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No more Electoral College

I can live with that

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There would be a system of 9

Too much power in the hands of too few.IMO.

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The legislative branch of the government will be removed.

No way. That takes State power away and gives it to the government.

From my first look I don't believe 9 wise men can handle the workload.IMO.
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CHUQ · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:32 am Post subject:

So called intelligent people spend most of their time and energy trying to make their positions as confusing and boring as possible. In doing that they will alienate those who the government needs the most--workers. I say keep the legislative body but go to unicameral. No more electoral college gets my vote. I believe the old saying. absolute power corrupts absolutly. So I am against the leadership of a few, but if the US cannot get more people involved in the political system then we will always have leadership by a few.
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Tumbleweed · Black Ops Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 3687 votes: 3

I think we already have a case of being ruled by the political elite and it isn't working very well.
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CHUQ · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject:

Seems I recall a document that calls for a government of people, by the people and for the people. If you eliminate that you eliminate the democracy that everyone thinks we have.
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Tumbleweed · Black Ops Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 3687 votes: 3

It might infringe on equal representation also.
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CHUQ · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject:

I am still not convinced that it is equal representation. I mean I have 2 millionaires representing me and I pretty sure they have no idea what it is like to be poor or struggling for a living.
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Tumbleweed · Black Ops Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 3687 votes: 3

I hear ya there CHUQ.

I was thinking more along the lines of 9 represenatives having too much territory to really know the needs of all the states they represent.
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CHUQ · Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:13 am Post subject:

Gothcha! I am also not convinced that the way they decide to cut up the state is a good system anyway. Or should I say either? We have a Rep that has mostly catfish farms as his constitency and yiu can bet where his loyalities lie. And then we have trent Lott--I will let it go at that. The Coast Rep Taylor, has sponsored NO bills and he is a Dem, but he also is a rep of an area with lots of military and he is really a sleeper Repub.

There has got to be a way to pick reps that is more in-line with the people than it is now.
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trivium666fan · Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject:

" If you eliminate that you eliminate the democracy that everyone thinks we have."

I never wanted to move democracy out of America. Hence the "Democratic" portion of it. I said that intellectuality will be a necessary requirement to govern, but the democratic part(as in legislation and other such things being voted on).

"So called intelligent people spend most of their time and energy trying to make their positions as confusing and boring as possible"

It's not really that things are made more difficult, but I think more detailed, so that less(or more in some cases) loopholes can exist.(Less usually referring to liberals and more for conservatives)

I still believe that the House and Senate are all too separate and were created for a nation where communication was weak. Now that there are more systems where information and ideas can go form one place to another more efficiently and rapidly, these are seemingly worthless and should be removed. I agree with the unicameral idea, though. Removing the two and creating one Congress to make decisions would also work. To keep it democratic, we could make them elected as well, with people voting, but still kept technocratic in that we still need intellectuals running.

As for the representation part, I still believe that worker unions(even though they can sometimes cause huge problems) can work to represent the ideas of the laborers in the country.
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CHUQ · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:17 am Post subject:

Tri--years ago I presented a paper that a Marxist Scholars Conference in Louisville, there were many, many scholars there, the cream of the crop so to speak. Not one of them spoke to the common man, trhat is why Marxisam has a prob getting a foothold. If you use the confusing words to joe public, he will glaze over and move on. If the average person is not on board with the ideology, then it will not be democratic, IMO. No matter who does the running of government.

Just a short question. Do you consider yourself a "councilist"?
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Tumbleweed · Black Ops Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 3687 votes: 3

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As for the representation part, I still believe that worker unions(even though they can sometimes cause huge problems) can work to represent the ideas of the laborers in the country.

Wouldn't that really make unions for representation special interest groups and only benefit labor? Also, wouldn't that eliminate the voices not associated with the working class?
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trivium666fan · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject:

Tumbleweed wrote:

Wouldn't that really make unions for representation special interest groups and only benefit labor? Also, wouldn't that eliminate the voices not associated with the working class?

I never said that it would be the ONLY representation in the government. I still believe in voting done b the people to elect every official. The officials from that point can make the decisions voting amoungst themselves. If the people elected the candidates they truly wanted, then their opinion is represented already. But people "not associated with the working class" can have their own representation. I dont believe that unions and special interest groups will be the only people wanting to have their voices heard. Everyone will. That is where the "Democratic" part comes in. Our opinions can still be given to our representatives(as was mentioned) and they can place it before whatever voting committee exists to see if it can be included as part of their decision. (I'm not entirel sure, because I haven't re-read the article I posted to write this, but I believe I said that in the original posting...eh...hahaha...if not, then there it is...)
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Tumbleweed · Black Ops Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 3687 votes: 3

trivium

Is this a plan you came up with or someone elses?
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trivium666fan · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject:

Tumbleweed wrote:

trivium

Is this a plan you came up with or someone elses?

Well, I just put the democratic ideas together with the technocratic ideas and came up with this...I don't know if I'm the first person to use this as an official belief or not, but I haven't heard it from anyone, myself. So, technically, I can say that I did come up with it myself...
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