Admiral Crunch wrote:As long as Hill thinks she can use the superdelegates to steal the election from the people's choice, she wont hold any dirty trick back. She' ll use whatever means she can to further her political ambitions even if it hurts voters and the Democratic party.

This is true and her tactics will destroy the party if it comes down to the convention and she is nominated.

Can you say 1968 Democratic Convention?

Exactly! I am an old fart and remember the 68 convention.

well its safe to assume that the clinton camp know how to play politics. I think that has been shown over the last 3 months or so - going negative and leaking to the media re Obama at every opportunity. Note that the Obama camp have been reluctant to use such a tactic, in fact hard for them to do it explicity, because of the "change" message.

But going negative only gets you so far - to an extent politics is changing, with a disilusioned electorate, the change message can work and negative can be tiresome.

and despite the near mathematical impossibility of catching Obama's delegate lead, Clinton is still trying to fulfill her own sense of self-entitlement to the presidency. Because it wouldnt be the democratic party if we didnt sabotage ourselves in a election that is ours to lose ... and we wonder why we dont win.

Again exactly right! Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. None better than the Dems.

I agree with that.

Taking this fight to the convention cripples either Obama or Clinton. If the insiders give it to Hillary - I envision a revolt. President McCain is the winner in this.

What happened to elections being decided by voters? Under the current system each superdelegate is worth the vote of over 50000 voters. When you see what these politicians have done to our country, there judgement shouldnt be worth one vote.

I once wrote a article called Voter Beware and it talked about how the voter is a necessary inconvenience. The voter only thinks it is up to them.

As a matter of fact i believe the article is in the philosophy section here. check it out if you like.

I am really glad that this thread has gone as long as it has......

May I suggest to clinton that if you must lie, sniper fire is not the way to do it! Sorry girl, but there is no misspeaking on whether you were in sniper territory. Take it from someone who knows, you will remember date time and place no matter how tired your are.

So may I use that I misspoke the next time my woman catches me lying?

CHUQ wrote:May I suggest to clinton that if you must lie, sniper fire is not the way to do it! Sorry girl, but there is no misspeaking on whether you were in sniper territory. Take it from someone who knows, you will remember date time and place no matter how tired your are.

So may I use that I misspoke the next time my woman catches me lying?

I did live fire training in the ARMY and I remember like it was yesterday and that was back in 1980. I would say that she is totaly clueless and lying....And I agree with you 100%

I can not figure out why she is still in the Race...At this point she has not even a prayer to save her

She's in the race because she made a promise to the voters that support her that she would stick with it until there was a nominee. There is no nominee, there is a PRESUMPTIVE nominee. BTW, Clinton now leads in the popular vote if you count Michigan and Florida. What's going to happen when the party hacks give the nomination to Obama? Seem a lot like the 2000 election to me. Superdelegates and pledged delegates are the electoral college of the Democratic Party; superdelegates were created to ensure that the 'right' democrat was put in place in the General...in other words, the DNC made a group of people that can over turn the voters will, which all together all states included, at this point in time, seems to favor Clinton

I don't support Clinton. I don't support Obama. I don't support McCain. All of them suck. Both democratic contenders are liars, and McCain just doesn't get Mid East politics or womens rights. Do your research people! Can't rely on the media anymore.

The part I find hard to understand is why do Clinton and Obama have such differnt policies. They both represent the Democratic Party so why don't they both have the Democratic Party policies?

All this argy bargy between Clinton and Obama could be avoided if The Democratic Party laid out its policies on health, education etc and then the super delegates could choose a candidate from those who nominate.

It would save about $100 million that could be spent on defeating McCain and wouldn't alienate so many voters like Clinton voters who won't vote of Obama and vice versa