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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| | | Rupchuk wrote:I think that's a bad idea. The government should be there to safeguard our rights and provide basic infrastructure, not give handouts. I think if you can't provide for your own welfare then you shouldn't have any. |
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I completely agree with you on the fact that the government should be there to protect the rights of people, not give out hand outs. I didn't mean "aid" as in "hand-outs," but more of helping someone get on their feet, or BACK on their feet.
But the welfare part, I think is more of a "must" for the government. It was made to protect the people of this country, and keep their well-being as bast as possible. If someone gives up, then they give up, but if they are looking for a better way to live, the government should be allowed to help them out. _________________ "Revolution is a means by which one group of idiots displaces the predominant group of idiots." |
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| | | Rupchuk wrote:Oh yes let the government tell me what to do with my money. People who need the government to tell them what to do can subscribe to that way of life and pay higher taxes, but they don't need to force it on the rest of us.
The best the government can do for me is to let me decide how I want to spend my money. I DON'T want retirement funds. I want my money right now not when I'm 67. |
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I know what you mean, But I don't think CHUQ meant that the government should tell us how to spend our money, but more in the government spending their money on us. George Washington told his new-found country to stay out of other countries business. Not in a nationalistic way, but in a way where we can survive on our own. So far, our government is using our money to deal with their own personal problems and intervening with outher countries.
I would love to have my money right now, but if for some strange reason I get screwed over some how by someone or soemthing that happens, I would love to know there is somewhere I can turn to with money to help me out. Whether it is my house and all of my things getting burned to a crisp, or my limbs getting torn off in some freak accident, the government should be spending money to help me out, along with anyone else with similar problems. _________________ "Revolution is a means by which one group of idiots displaces the predominant group of idiots." |
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| | | Rupchuk wrote:That's the problem. By the time I'm 67 I'll have already paid for 49 years. What happens when I'm 67 and I decide, "This system sucks I still do not want to be a part of it."? Am I supposed to just go live off my retirement somewhere else without that 49 years worth of work? Wow, government really taking care of me there. I'm tired of people telling me to wait till I'm old. I hate the system now and it is only getting worse. If anything they should let people decide whether they need the government to watch over their personal finances or not.
I'm sick of the government and other people trying to do what's best for me. If I want to ride my bike without a helmet then why can't I? Who the hell am I hurting by doing that, other than myself? If I want to smoke some weed before I go to sleep why can't I? If I want to manage my own money, my own retirement, why can't I? If I fall flat on my face because I'm a freakin' moron that's on me, it's not like it's anyone else's problem. |
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I understand what you are saying. But what I think we mean is that we pay taxes to support our government, so that they can in turn use that money to improve itself, and this country. If it depends on it's citizens, then it's citizens should be allowed to count on it for help.
If you fail to survive on your own, someone should be willing to help you out. Even though falling flat on your face can be your own problem, it could have been caused by lack of knowledge of something that could happen, a risk you took, someone cheating you out of your money, etc. People need help. And as to the whole "freakin' moron" comment, you can't honestly believe that most people on this planet AREN'T "freakin' morons." Most of the people in this world ARE morons, an need as much help as possible. And out of good, honest human kindness, there should be some way of helping them. The fact that their tax dollars pays for the government should let them turn to the government for help. _________________ "Revolution is a means by which one group of idiots displaces the predominant group of idiots." |
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