Which Democrat Is Electable?

**CHUQ** · Agitator Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 3

This is a post from my blog. This is the ticket, unless something major happens on Tsunami Tuesday.

Much has been speculated on the candidates and who they may choose as their running mate if they are lucky enough to gain the Democratic Party nomination. I say this would be an excellent democratic ticket, looking only at the votes it would garner--The Hila-Bama ticket! This ticket would appease all aspects of the Democratic Party.

Why do I say this? Both are good candidates. Obama is a great orator. Clinton is good at playing the Washington two step. Her experience is paramount to her campaign. Obama is less experienced and if he were the veep, his resume for the next election would be greatly expanded and giving him the experience most say he lacks. If they have a pretty good presidency then Obama would almost be a shoo in.

Other than the above beanies of the two running together on the same ticket there are other reasons. Both have similar stands on Iraq, foreign policy, social issues, economy, especially taxes and trade, immigration. Their biggest division seems to be over the health care proposals and that can be overcome. Okay that said, it does not hurt that one is a female and the other a person of color; two really good pluses in their favor.

Now you want to know if they can win, right? I gave up reading tea leaves with the '08 NH primary. The voter is in control. NO! I do not believe that for a minute, but it sounds good. But I digress. The Hila-Bama ticket would be a force to be reckoned with in the election. My observation in this case is that the ticket would be hard to beat, but only if the enthusiasm of the people stays high. Idealism is a wonderful thing, but unfortunately it does not win many elections. But that fact is for another post.

With all this said, Richardson is getting out of the race because of his poor showings in the first two contests. Pundits are saying that it is now a wide open race with Clinton’s win in NH. I disagree. Edwards is different in his stands, but between Clinton and Obama, the differences are more in presentation than in substance. For there to be a Hila-Bama ticket Clinton needs to win the nomination. Never forget that the DNC will have a front row seat at the picking of the Democratic ticket.

**redstaterebel** · Soldier Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 1

With all the talk of the fractured GoP - subgroups, not happy with our candidtate, not happy with the party the last 4 or so years - all thats true but there is one person who can bring the party together - lockstep in a common goal - that person is Hillary Clinton.

In the general election - I will vote Obama if given the chance - or ANY repbulican. As much as I dislike Romney - I will have a yardsign installed if you nominate Hillary.

I'm not alone in this.

Obama can win the general election - he will get a lot of guys like me.

**CHUQ** · Agitator Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 3

To answer my own question---although it is still too early to be definite----I would say that Hillary is electable. Why? She knows how to play the pathetic political game.

**Kizzume** · Capo Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 1

The game of lying to the general public for her political gain and not have to keep any of her campaign promises just like her husband did. Yeah, I think you might be right.

**CHUQ** · Agitator Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 3

My problem is that the voter listens to the promises and then believe them. The candidate needs to be up front about this and say that they will work for the change but if Congress does not agree then we are f*cked. In other words, the truth.

**Kizzume** · Capo Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 1

Yes, but the truth unfortunately doesn't sell very well, or Kucinich would have gotten it. Sad

**redstaterebel** · Soldier Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 1

This came up in the debate last night - assuming that McCain is the GoP nominee - Obama made a good point - the GoP will run on Nat'l security. Of course Hillary again touted her experience - Obama countered with a subtle remark about Hillary being mostly on the same page with McCain on Nat'l security.

He's right. McCain the war hero will win that particular battle against any democrat - Obama would offer much more of a difference in approach than Hillary would. Offer the voters a real significant difference.

McCain and Hillary have very similiar positions on Iraq & Iran as McCain and Bush do.

**CHUQ** · Agitator Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 3

This is a analysis of the last debate on CNN from my blog.

Now that the media has successfully eliminated all but the three top candidates from the primaries, you would think that there would finally be a debate that focused on the issues. Think again! CNN, "the best political team on TV", their words, not mine, hosted the SC debate and they showed that they are just as disgusting as any of the other outlets. Wolf Blitzer, the debate moderator was about as worthless as tits on a boar, he was never in control of the debate.

Almost immediately Clinton and Obama started for each others jugular. They went back and forth with he said, she said, Bill said; attacking each others integrity and voting records. Edwards had to chime in and remind Blitzer that there were three people in the debate. Very little was talked about the top 2's issues. Edwards did well by trying to inject "real" issues into the debate. The best line of the night was by Edward's when he said, "this squabbling willnot help children get health care....."

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**Tumbleweed** · Admin Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 4

Why is everyone so surprised that the gloves have come off between Hillary and Obama? Laughing

It's great to want a warm fuzzy feeling campaign but this was bound to happen. It's politics as usual and wishful thinking isn't going to make it all go away. They will be at each others throats from now until one or the other is picked to run.

I'm curious to know who Edwards will cuddle up to when he drops out.

**redstaterebel** · Soldier Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 1

I think the surprise is that a former President would sling mud and lie in public about a young black candidate.

I'm not surprised - the Clintons are like that.

Obama has to fight back now - before Feb 5th. His calling Bill and Hillary Liars is the most true thing of the campaign. its up to democrats to decide if they want that or not. I fear that they do.

**Kizzume** · Capo Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 1

I hope he fights back, and I hope media gives him a chance. Media will probably choose the Bushiest candidate.

**Tumbleweed** · Admin Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 4

Aw, poor little Obama getting picked on is he? Laughing

That's what the political arena is like for christ sake at election time. What to hell do you expect, a clean campaign? Wishful thinking.

**CHUQ** · Agitator Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 3

Picking is one thing, making up stuff is another.

**Tumbleweed** · Admin Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 4

I'm not so sure it's all made up. It's more of a case of who you chose to believe.

**redstaterebel** · Soldier Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts votes: 1

The current climate on the democratic side:

Hillary: vote for me because Obama is not that great.

Not because people like Hillary. She is trying to get ahead by tearing others down. This tactic works with democrats. I thought this year would be different.

If Obama doesnt get the nomination - I hope he holds a grudge and keeps quiet during the election. Hillary will lose and he can come back in 12.